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seansm10 543    |  1  |
| ive come to the general conclusion just whey is generally disposed of through the body, and most of it wont make it to your muscles, so i had a question about a product http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/inn/nitropeak.html it claims to have a casein based protein in it as well as whey. ive had it before personally i thought the strawberry tasted great, but never really though of it potentially being a 'more effective than x protein or y protein' product thoughts? |
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dwatson 6,012 | 1 |
| Casein is absolutely the wrong protein to take after you workout. You need a fast release protein. Try ON Whey protein Isolate. | ||
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eknight 2,485 | 0 |
| ^^^NO. Casein trumps whey PWO. Whey being optimal for recovery post workout is 70s bodybuilding thinking. The very fact that it is absorbed so quickly is why straight whey should be avoided. What happens when you drink whey? Like any other nutrient it goes through the stomach and is absorbed in the intestines. From there it goes through first hepatic pass so quickly that nearly 60% of the aminos are converted to sugar via gluconeogenesis and never reach the muscles. Add in casein- a slower digesting and absorbing protein- and you don't get that waste. There have been a number of studies that back this, basically concluding that unless you plan on drinking whey every 20 minutes after a workout, for four to six hours, it's ineffective. Keep in mind, too, that protein synthesis occurs for between 24-48 hours after a workout- another win for casein. The "perfect" PWO shake, IMO is a casein-whey blend, with milk, and some simple carbs to get BCAAs to the muscles a bit more efficiently so they will avoid the liver almost altogether. -EK | ||
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seansm10 543 | 0 |
| I currently use ON goldstandard whey - this is why i was asking. ek - what do you think of that product specifically? or products alike it |
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eknight 2,485 | 0 |
| I've used both it and MassPeak. Love them both. They're actually the protein endorsed by the NCAA and used at the NFL combine. Solid supp, and taste great in choc or cookies and cream; haven't had strawberry. -EK | ||
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seansm10 543 | 0 |
| i had a bad experience with cookies in cream - i got sucked into buying waxy mass before i knew anything, right aroudn when i started. 3x the price at the supp store... if i went to the grocery store downtown it was 30 dollars...not 95 lol. you would recommend nitro peak? it is a few dollars more from ON gold standard off bb.com (from when i purchased each product at respective times). would you recommend it over lets say i bought a casein product, took a half scoop of that adn my whey and was to mix it? | ||
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Dragonian 1,900 | 0 |
| ek so you say whey is converted into sugars instead of being used as protein which i understand but having the banana wouldnt that be used as the carb though and then the protein used as aminos? | ||
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eknight 2,485 | 0 |
| The banana helps absolutely, but only in the sense that it provides glucose quickly, and a small amount. If I was going to rely on carbs alone PWO with whey, I would make sure that you're getting between 100-200 grams, or roughly a fourth of your days allowance depending on your diet goals. For many people that's not practical, so a better digesting protein makes more sense. -EK | ||
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wannabemuscular 438 | 0 |
| Immediately post workout I use a mix of BCAA and Maltodextrin (currently Universal Atomic 7 and Now Carbogain). That gets the aminos and carbs to replenish quickly, and it's light. I don't like to load up on a heavy shake right after a workout. I tend to get a bloated feeling. An hour after the workout I'll have scoop or two of a nice blended protein. I drink this while I'm cooking a real meal. I'm currently using Musclepharm Combat Powder which is whey, micellar casein, and egg. So I get the fast, medium, and slow digesting proteins all in one blend. I never use a whey only powder. |
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IrishGymSheep 2,481 | 0 |
| Iv been thinking about Whey alot recently actually, EK do you reckon ebcause of how it's converted that Whey protein shakes are the reason alot of gym goers are coming down with Diabetes? I mean many are already loaded with sugars, add the way it's broken down and it seems like it could be possible. This is mostly trying to link correlation though so I could be way off the amrk it's jsut a thought that was running through my head. |
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the1 1,503 | 0 |
| EK, in your opinion what is the best pwo shake possible? Could you use whole foods to make a shake instead or different fruits for carbs? whey+case protein shake blended with oats and banana or something? At work I can do all of this after my lift an would love to know what would be most effective |
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eknight 2,485 | 0 |
| The1- just my opinion, but what you described is as good as it gets, especially if mixed in milk. Iron- I haven't red anything that correlates those two, although it's possible. Most of my shakes do not have sugar in them, though, or they only have like 2 grams. -EK |
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Dragonian 1,900 | 0 |
| just bumping this thread, wanna see some more opinions on this shit, Ek i think your like the smartest dude on here but i think your opinions are very biased, i have no problems with you and respect you just looking for other guys takes on PWO protein and carbs etc. | ||
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eknight 2,485 | 0 |
| If by "biased" you mean backed by clinical evidence and not the opinions of general meatheads who get their info from Flex magazine and may or may not have ever even passed general biology at the high school level.... Then yes. I am biased. -EK | ||
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Dragonian 1,900 | 0 |
| All im saying is that even smart guys with qualifications like you probably have different opinions and shit like you as an individual are like a genius about nutrition and training but there maybe another dude exactly like you who has a different opinion, just saying id like to see what other guys think. Not saying your wrong as i dont know shit anyway im only 18 lol | ||
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seansm10 543 | 0 |
| ^dont just call him out then say well nvm im prob wrong also - EK i think he was referring to when all your whey protein is converted into glucose, that is what was leading to diabetes? i may have misinterpreted though. lastly what do you use personally for a pwo shake? lately ive been coming home from the gym and eating dinner(in hs,live at home) and i tend to have my whey shake some tiem in the evening just as a meal |
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Dragonian 1,900 | 3 |
| i wasnt backing down? i was clearly stating that i was asking for others peoples opinions... | ||
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eknight 2,485 | 0 |
| I wasn't offended at all. I found "biased" to be an odd choice of word. I personally do 8 oz milk, 18 grams whey, 20 grams casein-whey blend and steel cut oats PWO. -EK | ||
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Sidewinder 354 | 0 |
Quote:Originally Posted by NinjaB0B Supplement companies don't make any more money by selling a protein that's good for post-workout versus a protein that's good for a different time. |
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| from what i've read the most important thing to get PWO are carbs as thats what your body looks for first for energy replacement, if it doesnt get enough of them it goes after the protein. Now obviously we need high gi carbs here, what high GI carbs do you guys eat pwo? | ||
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dwatson 6,012 | 1 |
Quote:Originally Posted by seansm10 You're an idiot. |
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luka 2,278 | 3 |
Quote:Originally Posted by dwatson x2 |
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haole 402 | 2 |
| From SS.com 5) Post-Workout Nutrition What you eat immediately after your training is just as important as your preworkout meal in influencing muscle growth. The job here is payback specifically, replenishing glycogen stores to spike levels of the anabolic hormone insulin and flushing the body with quick-digesting amino acids to resume the mass-building process following muscle breakdown from lifting. The Way to Grow Consume 70-90 grams of carbohydrates from cream of rice hot cereal, grape juice, white bread with honey or white rice mixed with raisins. To meet your protein needs, consume 30-45 grams from whey protein powder, egg whites or fish. |
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pong 13 | 0 |
| when should BCAA be taken? (i've read somewhere that it should be taken on an empty stomach) would you recommend any brand with BCAA supplements? and what is it really for? |
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dwatson 6,012 | 0 |
| I think BCAA's are a waste of money. I use to take ON's and didn't notice anything from them. | ||
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eknight 2,485 | 1 |
| BCAA's are one of the few supplements- along with creatine, protein, fish oil, and a multivitamin- that actually have some proof of working. The essential branched chain amino acids include leucine, isoleucine, and valine are of special importance for athletes because they are metabolized in the muscle, rather than in the liver. Remember- most protein goes through the liver once it is absorbed in the intestines and gets converted to glucose or is used to make other proteins. If your diet is adequate in nutrition then the above "essential" amino acids will be used for protein synthesis which is optimal for performance. However, the three BCAAs are not produced in the body such as non-essential amino acids, but rather obtained through proper nutrition or supplemntation. BCAA's have been shown to reduce fatigue in both anaerobic and endurance sports. Key ins, in particular, may be the most critical BCAA because of its anti-catabolic properties and vital role in protein synthesis. There's not really a bad time to take them, per se. Pre-, intra-, and post workout are all common depending on your diet. If given the choice between BCAAs or, say glutamine, BCAAs definitely are superior (actually I think tic tacs might be superior to glutamine as well, but that's another conversation). -EK | ||
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dwatson 6,012 | 0 |
Quote:Originally Posted by eknight There comes science, then there comes how it personally affected me. I wouldn't mind giving it another try, im just not going to spend my money for it now. |
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